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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #120 on: June 29, 2012, 05:07:25 PM »
Well, it was as low as 877 on June 8, so it's up from there. Still circling the drain, tho.
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #121 on: June 30, 2012, 08:32:39 PM »
Well, it was as low as 877 on June 8, so it's up from there. Still circling the drain, tho.

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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #122 on: July 01, 2012, 03:52:20 AM »
Well, it was as low as 877 on June 8, so it's up from there. Still circling the drain, tho.

How many times does a drowning man come up for air before he sinks like a stone??

Having observed the events of the last few years, quite a few more times than anecdotal evidence had indicated..
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #123 on: July 01, 2012, 10:27:29 AM »
Well, it was as low as 877 on June 8, so it's up from there. Still circling the drain, tho.

How many times does a drowning man come up for air before he sinks like a stone??

Having observed the events of the last few years, quite a few more times than anecdotal evidence had indicated..

So how many time? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #124 on: July 02, 2012, 11:24:49 AM »
Well, it was as low as 877 on June 8, so it's up from there. Still circling the drain, tho.

How many times does a drowning man come up for air before he sinks like a stone??

Having observed the events of the last few years, quite a few more times than anecdotal evidence had indicated..

So how many time? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D >:D >:D >:D >:D

I've lost count.. :o
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #125 on: July 28, 2012, 03:48:23 AM »
From Mining.com

"Not convinced Chinese trade is a disaster? Take a look at these shipping numbers:
Shipbuilding and shipping capacity in China surged as the country's demand for raw materials escalated in tandem with breakneck economic growth and investment in infrastructure.
China has 20 ports that can handle more than 100 million tonnes of cargo and in 2010 built ships with deadweight tonnage of 65.6 million tonnes, overtaking long-time top builder South Korea for the first time.
China – which overtook Japan in 2010 to become the world's second largest economy – dominates the global trade in just about every commodity including iron ore (representing some 60% of the global 1 billion tonnes seaborne trade), copper (38%), coal (47%), nickel (36%), lead (44%) and zinc (41%).
Fast-forward a couple of years and rates, orders and activity in the shipping industry – especially dry-bulk vessels used to haul iron ore and coal – are painting a very different picture:
 
    The benchmark Baltic Dry Index is down 44% year to date at 958. The BDIY reached a high of 11,793 in May 2008 – that is a 91.8% drop.

    Three-year charter rates for capesize ships which carry 80% of the world's 1 billion tonne iron ore trade have tumbled to roughly $10,000 a day from $55,000 five years ago.

    Globally prices for Capesize vessels that can carry 150,000+ long tons have slid to roughly $46 million  – half of what it was in 2007.

    Valemax vessels capable of carrying 400,000 tons built for number one iron ore producer Vale are still barred from Chinese ports. These carriers cost roughly $110 million to build – they are now valued at less than $70 million.

    Worldwide orders for dry-bulk vessels dropped 49% to 9.8 million deadweight  tons in the first half of 2012.

    The share price of Rongsheng Heavy, China's largest shipbuilder not under state control, is down 72% over the last 12 months. Astonishingly, it has not announced a single contract for new ships in 2012.

    The monthly index of new-ship prices in China is now at its lowest point since March 2004.

    China has 1,536 shipbuilding companies. About half of shipbuilders in the country may be forced to close within three years according to state-owned China State Shipbuilding Corp.

                                          Figures from Vesselsvalue.com and shipbroker Clarkson Plc via Bloomberg"
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #126 on: July 31, 2012, 09:30:31 AM »
Still dropping showing 915 this morning. http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BDIY:IND

I think this is one of the most important indicators as it is less prone to manipulation being tied to real movement of goods and raw materials.
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #127 on: July 31, 2012, 10:16:12 AM »
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #128 on: July 31, 2012, 04:44:30 PM »
Don't tell ME not to prepare because it's "hopeless." If you choose not to prepare, then be quick about your dying post collapse. Don't be running around trying to scavenge stuff up last minute. Leave that for me and mine during the salvage age.

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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #129 on: July 31, 2012, 06:21:31 PM »
From Ralfie's chart.

In the fourth quarter of 2011, world merchandise exports and imports volume growth (over previous quarter) went up by 0.9% and 1.3% respectively. Both numbers are less than average growth rate in the same quarter of the past 5 years (2006-2010) with 2.8% and 2.2% respectively. This indicates a global slowdown in the trade activities.
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #130 on: July 31, 2012, 08:21:50 PM »
OK. Found it. For 2012 it's down nearly 50% from 1/1.

The most current chart I found is interactive. The 5 year timeline is telling. Basically it collapsed back in 2008 and has never seriously recovered.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BDIY:IND/chart/
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #131 on: August 01, 2012, 08:41:14 AM »
I think BDI looks at weighted assessments of shipping rates. I'd also like to look at volume of merchandise exports and of dry bulk. Is this type of information available?

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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #132 on: August 10, 2012, 09:28:08 AM »
Dipped into the sub 800 area. 790 at last look.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BDIY:IND/chart
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #133 on: August 10, 2012, 01:36:17 PM »
Place yer bets, how low will it go?

I reckon 615.
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Re: Baltic Dry Index (BDI)
« Reply #134 on: August 10, 2012, 01:46:33 PM »
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Picked the story up from the ZH article Gromit added to the Goldman 'Don't Try Prosecuting Us - It's a Waste of Time' Sachs thread in this forum.

World’s Oldest Shipping Company Closes In Industry Slide
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