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Hubbert's Arms - "Statement of Purpose"
« on: October 31, 2010, 07:53:08 PM »
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We could post a long list of "thou shalt nots" but that would be silly. You guys are all adults and, so far, the tenor of the debate has been polite and mutually respectful. That is how we want to continue.

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Now rudeness isn't easy to define, nor do we intend to try to define the parameters. Maybe the litmus test is to ask yourself whether you would feel embarrassed, or awkward, if you said something to someone on this forum, then met them in real life. You guys will know where to draw the line, without us trying to tell you how to put over your POV.

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An addition as of 30.12.2010: classified information should not be posted here, either as text pasted into a post, or as a hyperlink to such information. "Classified information" means anything that is not publicly available through legitimate/legal sources.

One taboo that we must emphasise is any member here must not reveal any one, or more, member's personal information through this forum without written evidence that the member has agreed to said disclosure in advance. "Personal information" includes name, terrestrial address, e-mail address, telephone numbers, images of any person, or any other information whatsoever, that might lead to any member being identified, or their privacy compromised in any way whatsoever.

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PURPOSE

Jock was the Administrator of the, currently moribund, Life After The Oil Crash ("LATOC") discussion forum that was created by Matt Savinar: slow_dazzle was one of the Moderators.

After the LATOC discussion forum went down members went their own separate ways. We felt  continuing in the spirit of the old LATOC discussion forum was appropriate, not least because we felt that the desire to provide a discussion forum, that reflected the spirit of what Matt set up, was still out there in cyberspace. It might be premature to say we were justified in holding that view. That being said, the early signs suggest we might be right. And we felt the old format worked quite well, in addition to being familiar to hundreds of former members.

But we need to spell out a rough set of parameters, that reflect what we are trying to achieve.  "Restate" might be a better term. Initially, we thought about making the site very strongly focused on the UK. Since then we have had pause for thought. First, the events that are playing out have an international dimension to them (duh!). Second, there is clearly a core of former LATOC members who appreciate the facility to post and discuss emerging political, financial, and energy issues. In addition, many people are trying to assess how best to prepare (aka "prepping") for what seems to be playing out. So how can we best address these matters?

First and foremost, the people who run (we don't like the term "own") this forum firmly believe global energy supply has hit, or will very soon hit, a plateau. We expect that members of this forum accept "Peak Oil" ("PO") is real. If you feel it is not, or is a scam, you would be better joining another forum where you can debate the issues. The Hubbert's Arms is a PO forum above all else. PO has serious implications for the global financial system, as well as individual countries, in light of the way money is created. So clearly, we want to keep an eye on energy supply and prices (hence the Energy News Forum of this forum). It is also helpful to place these energy issues into their wider political dimension: the two issues are inextricably linked together (Usually the Breaking News Forum, but sometimes the Financial Forum, the General Discussion Forum and, in some cases, possibly "The Man Behind the Curtain" Forum). In turn, energy supplies link into the financial system, given that money is simply a symbol for the energy that was put into the economic system, in order to produce whatever. Even a service industry has implications for energy use. Then there is the way the financial system is, in short, imploding. That brings in the way governments are responding, and the implications for ordinary people (for example, bank collapses, austerity measures, societal unrest, the latter raising matters such as how governments might respond to such unrest, and the possibility of sovereign debt default/repudiation). Financial issues also extend to matters such as alternatives to money/stock market investments, and the potential implications. (hence the Financial News Forum). We must stress that we cannot, and will not even try to, give anyone advice on their own financial position. Nevertheless, these is merit in airing ideas, with the caveat that we are not able to allow anything posted here to be construed as definitive financial advice.

One point worth bearing in mind: we are trying to detect patterns, developments, build continuity here. In other words, trying to join the dots. Try to link to what has already been said in posts where possible, by adding comments/new articles. Don't be afraid to trawl up older threads if you think there is something worth adding or something worth saying.

As the global economy starts to deteriorate even further, many people are starting to think about how they might make themselves less reliant on the conventional way of procuring food, getting things done, and how the health system might be less able to accommodate everyone. We must stress that we cannot, and will not even try to, advise people on how to deal, precisely, with health matters. Nevertheless, these is merit in airing ideas, with the caveat that we are not able to allow anything posted here to be construed as definitive health advice. There is more leeway when it comes to food and physical preparation, but please think hard before you decide how best to act on anything you read here. To further personal preparation, we have created three forums, all based upon "self-reliance". When we talk about self-reliance, it is important to consider whether any given measure is realistic, practical and, above all, whether it is actually achievable. Many of us live in urban areas, so trying to adopt a semi-rural lifestyle isn't really possible, unless we move to a suitable location. On the other hand, there are craft skills that might help us start doing more for ourselves. Examples include sewing, wood-working, personal transport, and leather crafts. When it comes to food, there is a lot of scope for adaptation, irrespective of location. Physical and mental health/personal safety might also be subject areas where we can exchange information of a practical nature (emergency medical advice, readiness to bug out if need be, and so on) Although we don't want to limit the debate, we feel it is best to focus on shelter and how to repair it (our homes and possibly emergency shelters), food/water (how to get it, prepare it, and store it) and all those matters where we can reasonably expect to be in a position to actually do something meaningful (in short, doing things such as making/repairing clothing and other everyday items) and practicalities associated with personal/public transport. It is important, therefore, to try to focus on what we can realistically achieve, tempered with some "wish list" items. Maybe the test here is to ask ourselves whether what is being discussed could work, for one or more of us.

We thought long and hard about the forum titled "The Man Behind the Curtain". We accept there are issues that can be termed "Deep Politics". Those issues can sometimes lead to conjecture, but they often have a reasonably substantive basis. In short, governments sometimes pursue policies that they do not, or will not, openly admit to pursuing. Now the line between "Deep Politics", and the more bizarre claims about what governments get up to, is not easy to draw. For the time being we are going to let this forum develop, and try to avoid saying "not allowed, not allowed", unless the matter under contention is wholly speculative. One thing we want to avoid is anything by Sorcha Faal, Godlikeproductions ("GLP") and anything that is almost impossible to prove. We are both fans of Tin Foil but we feel we want to avoid the tinnier stuff, leaving the latter up to The Tinfoil Palace, a site where we are both members (see url on the top of the forum page). So this forum will probably be moderated slightly more than the others. We really don't like having to do this, but we feel it is important to stay focused on those issues, we can reasonably state have a reasonable degree of truth in them. Above all, and at the risk of sounding a bit too heavy, we want to keep a serious edge to this site, in keeping with the spirit of the sadly moribund LATOC discussion forum.

Then there is the "stuff the doom, I want to chill out and have a bit of fun". Head for The Lounge and have a cyber drink, post music, links to cultural stuff, jokes, indeed anything that is an aid to relaxation. Any unflattering jokes about Jock and slow_dazzle will result in instant banning (or more likely everyone else joining in and laughing at us).

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Finally, we have to issue the usual disclaimers. The posting of comments to this forum ("this forum" means the Internet Domain hubberts-arms.org ) should not be construed as an endorsement of their contents.  By posting comments, members of this forum claim sole authorship and give permission for their publication. In posting links members should observe any copyright restrictions placed upon the use, or distribution, of an article by the owner of the article which they are posting. Such restrictions include "Fair Use" ( Link to mostly US definitions for guidance on what might constitute "Fair Use" ) Nothing posted on this forum should be regarded as definitive advice. This forum is for discussion and suggestions only. This forum is not to be regarded as a source of definitive advice on any matter that may affect a person's interests, in any way whatsoever, whether that person is a member of this forum or not. "A person's interests" includes financial, legal, and property matters, health, personal standing, or any matter that may have an affect on their life, whether directly or indirectly.

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“It is clear that there is, within Scotland, more of a shared vision and values - a vision of the country, the society, politics, the role of the state; values like fairness, equity, and opportunity."

Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Sunday Herald, 14.09.14

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Looks good to me guv!
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Looks excellent to me.

Just wondering - which one of you is the STUPENDOUS SUPER DADDY OF DOOM for us to adore and cord to. It can't be both of you because there can be only one.
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Looks excellent to me.

Just wondering - which one of you is the STUPENDOUS SUPER DADDY OF DOOM for us to adore and cord to. It can't be both of you because there can be only one.

Thanks Aussie (and thanks TH)

We will determine it through a drinking contest, held over 120 separate bouts. After all, we are both Scottish. ;) The result should be known around early 2012 ;D

But seriously folks, thanks. More feedback appreciated (hic!)
“It is clear that there is, within Scotland, more of a shared vision and values - a vision of the country, the society, politics, the role of the state; values like fairness, equity, and opportunity."

Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Sunday Herald, 14.09.14

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Has to be one of the best "Statements of Purpose" it has ever been my pleasure to read.
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Just wondering - which one of you is the STUPENDOUS SUPER DADDY OF DOOM for us to adore and cord to.
The future is cordless - I heard it somewhere on the web, so it must be true  ;D
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Good, very good and I think you're wise to ban Sorcha Faal.  I never read Sorcha Faal, but please - don't tell eric.  I love eric but I'm a bit worried about him and Sorcha.  ;)

Nice work SD and jock. :)

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Legally watertight whilst being totally human at the same time - quite a feat!

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Just wondering - which one of you is the STUPENDOUS SUPER DADDY OF DOOM for us to adore and cord to.
The future is cordless - I heard it somewhere on the web, so it must be true  ;D

Erk! Cornucopian Alert! Fifth columnist! ;D

And thanks guys - in putting this together we tried very hard to get two points across:

1. We are all responsible people here; and

2. This is difficult to convey without seeming pompous, we want to use the range of serious analytical skills that were present on LATOC, to try to understand WHAT is happening, WHY it might be happening, and WHAT we can do as a measured response. We will never replace LATOC but we do believe we can continue in the same vein of the latter.

We recognise that preparing is a good thing, with the caveat of reality and practicality. In any case, it is not possible to ignore the elephant in the room that is PO, and its ramifications. The way society is shifting, the way the monetary system is in a state of breakdown, and the way government is responding at all levels, must inform how we approach prepping. We firmly believe that prepping has to take place within the wider context of what is playing out: the society we will live in is a corollary to the myriad of governmental, policy, and financial changes that we are trying to analyse here. In short, we cannot decouple from the events that are playing out. Admittedly, we cannot influence them much, although J.A.F.O.'s point about forestry threats is one area where we might be able to make a difference. But we need to know HOW our societal environment is changing and WHY, so we can consider how to respond.

I apologise if this seems heavy, or pompous, but we firmly believe in watching how the world is changing. It is for that reason the LATOC news updates attracted a large number of daily visitors. There is almost certainly still a demand (in the non-commercial sense) for the type of information exchange and news coverage that Matt provided through the LATOC news page and the discussion forum. Without wanting to even suggest we aspire to those heady levels, this is partly what we are trying to achieve here.

BTW, if any potential members read this and think we are all heavy cerebral types, I can assure you we are not. We are just ordinary people continuing a conversation that began several years ago and which was sadly interrupted.
“It is clear that there is, within Scotland, more of a shared vision and values - a vision of the country, the society, politics, the role of the state; values like fairness, equity, and opportunity."

Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Sunday Herald, 14.09.14

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Looks excellent to me.

Just wondering - which one of you is the STUPENDOUS SUPER DADDY OF DOOM for us to adore and cord to. It can't be both of you because there can be only one.

I'm fer appointing a DoomMummie! 8)

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Volunteering, are we?  ;D
We got further smashing windows than we ever got letting them smash our heads.
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What happens in disasters demonstrates everything an anarchist ever wanted to believe about the triumph of civil society and the failure of institutional authority. ~ Rebecca Solnit 'A Paradise Built in Hell'

I don't vote. Because I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain.
Yeah, people like to twist that around, I know.. they say "Well, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain." But where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent people, and they get into office and screw everything up, well, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem, you voted them in, you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who, in fact, did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done, and have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess you created that I had nothing to with. ~ George Carlin

People who pretend to forget history are doomed to invent it. ~ Gromit

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Really looks good s_d. I'm particularly happy to see homophobia included in the list of no-nos. That was a pet peeve of mine over at LATOC, because while racism wasn't tolerated there, homophobia was. I usually just rolled my eyes in disgust and moved on, but once in awhile would engage some of the blatantly verbal queer-bashers to no avail. So, a big thank you for making this place so much better, so much more inclusive.

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Adding this because it is relevant to the forum (I know this thread is meant to be closed for comment but this is worth posting)

UK copyright laws to be reviewed, announces Cameron
“It is clear that there is, within Scotland, more of a shared vision and values - a vision of the country, the society, politics, the role of the state; values like fairness, equity, and opportunity."

Professor Joseph Stiglitz, Sunday Herald, 14.09.14

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Re: Hubbert's Arms - "Statement of Purpose"
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2010, 01:04:19 PM »
     As a statement of purpose this is just terrific, simple, concise and should appeal to even the legal eagles.